tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13776557.post7601208211026716079..comments2023-05-12T09:10:41.514-07:00Comments on Fatosphere: This is not a post about VegNewsMaryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05655779284394470566noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13776557.post-23104840197182152552008-02-17T09:34:00.000-08:002008-02-17T09:34:00.000-08:00If I had to choose between having a little honey o...If I had to choose between having a little honey or dairy and being a "bitch" [an ugly word, anyway] to my fellow humans, I think I'm gonna choose the honey, thanks.Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07864720508901585561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13776557.post-70272124678188645402008-02-15T11:14:00.000-08:002008-02-15T11:14:00.000-08:00Here it is again.The link is working for me. If yo...<A HREF="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/2/13/123325/709" REL="nofollow">Here</A> it is again.<BR/><BR/>The link is working for me. If you can't get it, go to Grist and search for "vegangelical".Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05655779284394470566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13776557.post-51265172006675405322008-02-15T09:31:00.000-08:002008-02-15T09:31:00.000-08:00This link: http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/...This link: http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/2/13<BR/><BR/>has expired. What's the title, so I can look it up?<BR/><BR/>thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13776557.post-17262143562154624512008-02-13T15:13:00.000-08:002008-02-13T15:13:00.000-08:00Btw, here's a good little blurb about this topic, ...Btw, here's a good little blurb about this topic, complete with a apropos new term:<BR/><BR/>http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/2/13/123325/709Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13776557.post-39647603163343677552008-02-13T14:45:00.000-08:002008-02-13T14:45:00.000-08:00"As for me, I'm just having such trouble deciding...."As for me, I'm just having such trouble deciding. Which is the more egregious waste of carbon: meat-eating, or Rory Freedman and Kim Barnouin?"<BR/><BR/>Why decide--let's kill two birds with one stone by simply eating Rory Freedman and Kim Barnouin!<BR/><BR/>On second thought, that won't do--there's probably no meat on their bones. Damn, all my good ideas...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13776557.post-16986853275707833362008-02-13T09:18:00.000-08:002008-02-13T09:18:00.000-08:00FYI: Comment moderation has now been turned off ag...FYI: Comment moderation has now been turned off again. The trolls seem to have slithered back under the rocks from whence they came. If you notice a super-nasty comment, though, please feel free to slam them in case I don't get around to it right away.Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05655779284394470566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13776557.post-11316100543230370952008-02-13T09:16:00.000-08:002008-02-13T09:16:00.000-08:00Meg -- this book definitely ratchets up the cruelt...Meg -- this book definitely ratchets up the cruelty, but I didn't think it was particularly misogynistic any more than fat hatred itself is already misogynistic. <BR/><BR/>Also, they are coming out with a version for men (different authors, as I recall) that will no doubt also be very nasty and will manage to make its readers feel like shit even though they have dicks. Based on my reading other fat blogs and stuff, it seems that although it is mostly women who are out there talking about self-hatred relating to fat, there are plenty of men who feel it acutely and they are beginning to speak up too. The "winners" and "losers" that sdswmr references can be men or women.Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05655779284394470566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13776557.post-24422324619633250112008-02-13T06:16:00.000-08:002008-02-13T06:16:00.000-08:00I read that review in Salon also and was struck by...I read that review in Salon also and was struck by the idea of thoughts in our heads, playing out old roles (not for the first time, of course, but I seem to need constant reminders). Then I thought of tv's "The Biggest Loser" where the purpose seems to be to deliberately shame and humiliate those people: displaying them half-naked and making comments about their physiognomy (because character must be represented in the body, right?). I read "A Perfect Mess" this summer and had the same reaction: it's not me after all, it's them. The arrogant know-it-alls who set themselves up as the judge, jury and executioner. <BR/><BR/>well, our society is extremely moralistic, and self-loathing. That dimension has to exist so that the 'winners' can crow over the 'losers' so they don't have to live a life of healthy self-examination. <BR/><BR/>Lastly, I just reread "Desiderata." The line "beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself" is something to remember.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13776557.post-23853889066063922402008-02-13T02:07:00.000-08:002008-02-13T02:07:00.000-08:00Yes, of course, fat is a feminist issue -- for our...Yes, of course, fat is a feminist issue -- for our lifetimes and our friends' children's lifetimes.<BR/><BR/>But (and, no, I didn't read either review or book -- that's what I've got you for) this book seems to be strumming a different chord on the autoharp of misogyny.<BR/><BR/>[The multistringed instrument of misogyny should probably be a zither rather than an autoharp, given that Hellenistic Greece was a far more lady-loathing place than Appalachia.]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13776557.post-56279785190994863252008-02-11T23:45:00.000-08:002008-02-11T23:45:00.000-08:00Julie, thank *you* for your great review, and for ...Julie, thank *you* for your great review, and for stopping by. Love your blog too!<BR/><BR/>Meg, as for misogyny, I think it's inherent in the whole body hatred thing. Of course men are not immune to it, but I do think that it affects women more commonly, and more deeply. "Fat is (still) a feminist issue," as they say. Though having said that, I should also say that I don't mean to trivialize men's eating disorders.<BR/><BR/>(Meg, are you saying you've *read* the fucking thing, btw?)<BR/><BR/>In any event, as pointed out in Klausner's review, soon men will be treated to their own version of this fabulous book, called <I>Skinny Bastard</I>. Thank god for gender-balanced hatred!Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05655779284394470566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13776557.post-88043443952648189852008-02-11T23:17:00.000-08:002008-02-11T23:17:00.000-08:00Are you telling me that the review didn't mention ...Are you telling me that the review didn't mention misogyny? Because that seems at least as much part of the book as fatophobia.<BR/><BR/>Paging whoever it is (Baudrillard?) who says that ideal feminine beauty is rooted in punishing the body to please the male gaze...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13776557.post-56904107881689815662008-02-11T22:02:00.000-08:002008-02-11T22:02:00.000-08:00A Vegan magazine promotes this kind of talk?Wow I'...A Vegan magazine promotes this kind of talk?<BR/>Wow I'm amazed. That just blows me away.<BR/>The moment I seen the words "Skinny" and "Bitch" together the thought in my head was, oh this is going to get nasty lol.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the review.Melissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13704702129882460378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13776557.post-16312591742256132512008-02-11T20:56:00.000-08:002008-02-11T20:56:00.000-08:00Thanks for the shout-out, Mary. xxThanks for the shout-out, Mary. xxJulie Klausnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03510630282776601178noreply@blogger.com